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Was just reading about Jinnah and his daughter Dina who married Neville Wadia the scion of Wadia clan of shipbilders or the people who own Bombay Dyeing
or to the bollywood updated - the grandmother of Ness -Preity Zinta`s bf on wiki.
The lives of Jinnah, Rattanbai Petit and Dina are a definite read .

Here are excerpts from the wiki which might give you an insight into the persona called Muhammad Alibhai Jinnahbhai Khojani a man who over the years degenerated from being a modernist secular legal eagle of his time to an islamist with pseudo secular views.

In November of 1932, Jinnah read H. C. Armstrong's biography of Kemal Atatürk, Grey Wolf, and seemed to have found his own reflection in the story of Turkey's great modernist leader. It was all he talked about for a while at home, even to Dina, who consequently nicknamed him 'Grey Wolf'.

Mahommedali Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah's assistant at the time, recalls
Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told her that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Reminding her father that his wife (Dina's mother Rattanbai), had also been a non-Muslim, the young lady…replied: 'Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?' And he replied that, "she became a Muslim "

Well Dina is right in saying May his dream for Pakistan come true
though i don't see it happening for a very long time ...

I have seen over the years the Peoples Jinnah hall made as a memorial towards the man using public donations right next to the very infamous Congress house at Opera hse/Grant Rd, made famous by people professing the worlds oldest profession, but never once heard about or seen his Mumbai residence the Jinnah house, now part dilapidated ... where the seeds for the two nation theory and pakistan might have been sown.

Now Malabar hill and Banganga is a place i sometimes visit early in the morning, just to talk a walk or cycle or get some peace of mind, because u see govt spends a lot of money to maintain the roads out there thanks to their being Grade A roads and all the ministers having residences there i dont want to name names but most Ncp and Congress leaders stay there.
Its kinda funny the govt spends most tax rupees on roads where our netas stay- who by the way are a Biggest drain on the exchequer thanks to their sal ...oops i really meant Perks and im not talking about the slush money they get.
In comparison most roads where govt earns lots of revenue like say a Lamington Rd (E/c mkt) Opera Hse (diamond mkt) or say Princess Street Kalbadevi (cloth/Fmcg Mkts) or say Zaveri Bazar (Jewellery Mkt) or back alleys of Dalal Street(Stock mkt) or say the road towards the Airport (lined wt Zopadpattis cultivated by Congressmen) are in a pathetic state.
We are facing traffic and worse parking nightmares already thanks to people having 2 or more cars, next in line, soon Mumbai- the economic capital of India will lack 24 hr E/c supply as Mercury will soar and the exuberant Mumbaikar will switch on them 1.5 tonne Korean A/cs sold cheaply at Rs 16000.Finally we well get a dose of what the rest of the state has been suffering for at least 4 hrs a day for the last couple of months... ... the dreaded POWER CUT. Dont worry if the govts function this way it wont be long that we will have to face Water rations and cuts too say in another 5 yrs.

So much to the talk of making Mumbai into a Shanghai - great Lip service of course given by none other than the great PM Manmohan and his Finman PC and his adverts coaxing people to pay taxes that go into building Roads , Bridges Dams, Rail etc. Someone should Show me the Roads, Show me Railways that people can travel in without being super crushed and show me some basic Infrastructure and of course take some responsibility and act fast. Hey the BRO can do it in god forsaken or i may say godly Ladakh then why cant the state ?Do we have to expect army rule to get some actual work done ?
Someone in the press should raise this issue, just as the India shining campaign had been raised.

Ok not digressing form the main issue here i did track that place and guess where it was ?Among the residences of power brokers like the V Patils and A Powars and old world textile barons like Khataus . tucked away in greenery Jinnah house lies at a ninety deg angle and creating a hypotenuse between CMs Bungalow and Sahyadri-the place where the Pm, laloo and likes stay ie the very plush Mah state guest house recently very lavishly renovated, by a state which is submerged in debt, where farmer suicides in Vidarbha are not even reported because of their frequency.

Funny as it may sound did u know that this city owes much to Mr Jinnah who had a very found attachment towards Mumbai and had done lot for this city in his younger days, perhaps much more than most politicians of modern Maharashtra or India ever have in recent times.

Thankfully the forever Pak loving Nehru Gandhi family plans to gift it to Pakistan never materialised and the Vajpayee Govt did not humor Mushys contention of giving the house to Pak for their Mumbai embassy and were planning to hand it over to Wadia. Id personally prefer it to be converted into a public lib or something taking into account the fact that it is evacuee property and state property at that even though Nehru blocked it from being declared as one and we the people need more spaces, hey petit also made libraries like the one opp Metro Cinema at dhobi talao, Sadly the family or their cronies are at it again the defenceless bongling bong Pronobda is planning to hand it over to pakis
as Ashok Dhamjia rightly pointed it out, hope Bal Thackarey is listening and acting .

tis funny most hindus suffer at the hands of hindus, when will we learn?

here is the pic of that place

Posted by netsuffering at 12:20 AM | Permalink | Comments

i saw this interview on you tube
it is of Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan on AlJazeera
well she is an ideal that most arab and muslim and in general secular people should follow

First all this video rebuffs all the bush logic that that channel has a single point agenda of being pro terror and secondly i have to admire the guts of that lady when she speaks of clash of civilizations and mostly of things about Islam glossed over by our pseudo secular leadership so as to maintain so called peace and national integration.
chk it out
Wafa Sultan on AlJazeera

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In the muslim or islamic world there are a very few women who could be treated as ideals. Most of them would be wives of Muhammad mainly his child bride Aisha, to some it may be the pseudo secularists like Mrs Azmi.

To the radicals it could be Ayesha Andrabi, the radical leader of Dukhtaran-e-Millat who has made it her mission to make every woman in kashmir wear a hijab or burkha.

There are also the unique specimen like Kamala Das who in an interview i saw on tv said that the main motive of changing religion was women get protection and freedom under Islam and hijab, among many to avoid the gaze of men, making me wonder - who does she think she is?
Well she is now partially regretting her decision as nothing much has changed on ground, and is things stand she is now a second class individual as per actual practice of Islam in India.

To me an ideal woman if there is one ...
in India is the very witty and intelligent Shania NC ( technically she is half muslim as she is born out of a hindu muslim marriage, and the congress talks of national integration and all.

In the muslim world it undoubtedly is Queen Rania al-Abdullah of Jordan.

"Islam neither requires one to be practising, nor to dress in one way or another," the stylish 36-year-old queen told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera during a visit to Rome on Friday.

"So imposing the veil on a woman is contrary to the principles of Islam," said Queen Rania, who is in Rome for the launch of a Group of Seven (G7) programme to develop vaccines against diseases that are endemic in poor countries.

"Unfortunately, after all the suspicion weighing on Islam, many people have begun to consider the veil as a political problem, but this is not the case," she told Corriere. "Wearing the veil is a free personal choice."

Queen Rania urged "all moderates to stand up and let their voices be heard."

She added: "Many people are frustrated in the Arab world. Many give in to the anger because they are accused of violence. But instead we should get up, explain who we are and what we believe in.

"Over the last three years, most victims of terrorism have been Muslim. So there's not a war between Muslims and non-Muslims, but between extremists and moderates of all the religions," the queen said.

"What is important is not to live in fear. The most dangerous (thing to do) is to give up and lose hope. The main enemy is not terrorism or extremism, but ignorance," she said.

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Well i dont want to call it kashmir cause the minority radical bunch of sunni muslims cannot really represent all of the people of JNK so the header.

The Radicals in Pakistans northern provinces most of whom have introduced the strict form of shariat.

Nyways everyone knows that JNK the only muslim majority state in India, followed probably by pockets in UP Bihar and Kerala.

Latest updates show that there just might be an atempt for rekindling of the mass terror as had happened in the 90s. The super soft hearts and minds policy of the Ruling PDP Congress combine is just helping it further.The PM is no better with the constant friendly overtures towards Mush, even when Pak says no to laying physical position on the siachin glacier on books and documents before a deescalation on siachin we still want to talk. I only hope this is not another one sided contract like the Indus water treaty or simpla pact in which pakis got what they wanted , and in exchange we got raddi to keep, but who knows bureaucracy always likes raddi.

There is a spate of prosecutions of policemen for what in mumbai is called as encounters. Instead of this being done discretely there is too much media glare which has helped the terrorists gain sympathy and supporters.

In a move aimed at mainstreaming personal laws governing Muslims in J&K with those followed by Muslims in the rest of India, the lower House of the state Assembly on Friday passed a Bill seeking to apply provisions of the Shariat to Muslims of the state.

The Bill seeks to replace an earlier code that had been in force since Maharaja Pratap’s era which contained several local traditions. It now erases those provisions, seeking to bring Kashmiri Muslims under the ambit of Shariat-based laws that were penned with the Arab interpretation of how Muslims should run their lives and codes on weddings, divorce and sexuality.

The Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Bill was moved by leader of Opposition and former National Conference minister Abdul Rahim Rather and adopted unanimously. The Bill will now go to the upper House where it is likely to be taken up on February 14.

The bill though giving property rights to women which is good, but looking at the state of the illiterate muslim majority,expect more exploitation of women anyways.
God alone knows what more damning provisions against minority hindus buddhists etc may be included later.

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Well i was kinda away from blogging but this article that i read thru google news really got me to cut paste it so that other ppl can read it.

Its funny, the congress/ ncp on one hand show that they r truly (pseudo)secular by blind appeasement of minorities.
But during the recent ganesh chaturti in mumbai in many pandals and many roads leading to the girgaum chaupatti there were big bhagva banners and flags with double lifesize posters of their leadership, which I almost mistook as those of the shivsena. Secondly Sonia got a lot of airtime on many channels garlanding and offering pooja to a character portraying Ram during Ram leela or Durga Puja festival , when she obviously is a roman catholic by heart.
The centre says Pakistan is victim of terrorism while the cm/dcm/dcp maharashtra says that the recent blasts were due to pakistani isi,let and simi.
The whole kashmiri leadership(including those who are either isi sponsored and those whose kin were let off in exchange for some known terrorists) say don’t hang afzal while the centre is silently acting upon their advice.(reminds me of Rajeev and Shah Banoo)
No one in the press is however is talking about the forever rising prices and inflation on one hand and the strict control on interest rates thru coercion of PSU banks by Fm chidambaram.

I recently saw the pro Upa/communist NDTVs mercy debate with Barkha Dutt.I say pro bcause of their reporting style and bcause Roys wife is lady karats sister.
There were eminent lawyers like Mr Sorabji, Experts like Parthasarthy(correct me if im wrong), some oxford English speaking likely leftist historian, and some Advocate, the kashmiri sytruglers like yaseen malik and the jnu lecturer who was freed by the supreme court and lastly the ex cm jnk.
While the debate was lively and interesting and all that what i found was that barkha was cutting in and leading, even with Soli Sorabji. The Kin of the dead Security people or the Kashmiri Pandits who have suffered the terrorism firsthand were however missing, and so was the Bjp who have openly taken a counter position. According to me Barkha chose to infer that because we cant get gazibaba and dawood we are choosing to hang small fry like afzal, who according to the kashmiri bandwagon has not got a fair trial.
The good President Kalam has now sent the file of Afzal to the home ministry for appraisal which means goodbye to him being hanged on 20th.
Most likely our incompetent home minister Mr Patil, whom we all know from his bumbling and fumbling interviews with the media during all the recent terror attacks, will send it to the upa godmother at the AICC and to the Communists.
The UP elections r near and that means no hanging during Ramzan or until the elections are over or never ever. In that event, most likely he will be a free man soon enough as the congress will be keen to set him free during the next Kashmir elections, that is - if there is no kidnappings with him as ransom.
Read on
Always yes to planned murder by terrorists by V SUNDARAM

Mercifully I hope that the days of communal human sacrifice to Goddess Kali are over for ever. In a pseudo-secular rickety setup established by the UPA government, this has been replaced by a tacitly Government understood system of secular human sacrifice of unarmed innocent people to Jihadi terrorists of peace-loving Islam. Parliament attack conspirator Mohammad Afzal Guru's family on Thursday met President A P J Abdul Kalam seeking clemency for the convict who is to be hanged later this month. On 3 October, 2006 Mohammad Afzal Guru's family had submitted a mercy petition at Rashtrapati Bhawan seeking clemency for the accused and sought an appointment from the President. The petition was in the name of Mohammad Afzal Guru's wife Tabassum. A family member later told media-persons after the 10-minute audience with Dr Kalam on October 5 2006 at the Rashtrapati Bhawan that the President ''has assured us that he would look into the matter'. Mohammad Afzal Guru's wife Tabassum said that the President would read the petition and look into the matter. Tabassum, who was accompanied by Mohammad Afzal Guru's mother Ayesha Begum, son Ghalib and their two counsels � Nandita Haksar and N D Pancholi �� met the President at 1345 hrs yesterday ( October 5, 2006 ). Speaking in Kashmiri, Tabassum said : ''I told the President that Mohammad Afzal Guru did not get justice at the lower court and High Court and so we had come to him to seek justice. I have faith in the President. India is a democratic country and we must get justice. The President heard us out very patiently. I want the President to pardon our son. My son wants to be a doctor and only if his father were alive, can he realize this ambition'. Meanwhile, Nandita Haksar, counsel for the condemned accused, dramatized the whole affair when she said: 'After Mohammad Afzal Guru's son Ghalib learnt about his father being hanged, he came home, tied a rope to the fan and tried to hang himself saying he wanted to know how much his father would be hurt if he was hanged.'

The innocent citizens of India would like to know whether Tabbasum's husband was seeking to strengthen the forces of democracy in India by assisting in the launch of an armed attack on its democratic citadel - THE PARLIAMENT. What about the dreams of the children of Security and Army personnel who were killed by the terrorists outside our Parliament? Would they not have been in a better position to realise their dreams if only their no less innocent fathers were alive today? Who will answer these questions? Definitely not President Musharraf of Pakistan.

When the Supreme Court of India gave a reasonable judgement in the Shah Banu case in the middle 1980s, Rajiv Gandhi Government gave a helping hand to terrorist Islam by amending the Indian Constitution ! Now I won't be surprised � nor our country as a whole or more civilized world outside� if the Congress Party organises itself with combat-resolve to amend the constitution/or law to abolish the death sentence to save Mohammad Afzal Guru ! For the Islam-embracing, Christianity coveting and Hindu-hating Sonia Congress Party, minority-vote banks are more sacred, sacrosanct and inviolable than the survival of India as a sovereign nation and the lives of its law abiding citizens - more particularly the communal Hindus!

The BJP has decided to approach President A P J Abdul Kalam and the people over its opposition to clemency to Mohammed Mohammad Afzal Guru, sentenced to death in Parliament attack case. BJP is planning to seek an appointment with President Kalam to submit a memorandum against Mohammad Afzal Guru who 'plotted to eliminate the country's political establishment.' BJP general secretary Arun Jaitley has dubbed moves to save Mohammad Afzal Guru from the gallows as acts of 'misplaced sympathy' and alleged that the Congress 'had no strategy in place to tackle terrorism.'

The BJP has also warned the Congress-led Centre of public outrage if it recommended clemency for Mohammad Afzal Guru, and sought an apology from Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad over his mercy calls for the death-row convict involved in the armed attack on Parliament.

Gulam Nabi Azad, the ever-responsible and secular Chief Minister concerning Muslim affairs and never-responsible and ever-casual about Hindu affairs in Jammu and Kashmir, has pleaded for mercy for Mohammad Afzal Guru. The same view has been expressed with Islamic compassion and concern by the former Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Dr Farooq Abdullah.

Indian women of global stature and cosmic significance from the point of view of the survival of mankind as a species, like social activist Medha Patkar, Gandhian Nirmala Deshpande and writer Arundhati Roy, are valiantly fighting on behalf of this compassionate and humane terrorist and are making impassioned pleas through the ever sensitive and ever alert mafia of pseudo-secular and anti-Hindu mass media in India today. Watching in silence with pseudo-secular glee is our de-facto woman Prime Minister, ever holding aloft the benign torch of her Christian compassion towards all the minorities in general and the Jihadi terrorists of compassionate Islam in particular. Overseeing all this bizarre drama is a non-performing Parliament. The chief political clown of all this ingloriously contrived and ignoble edifice of pseudo-secularism is the neutral between neutrals, adamant for drift and solid for fluidity, de jure Prime Minister. Does this not complete the vicious circle of Congress / Communist sponsored nation-destroying pseudo-secularism?

The suggestion of some of these great public figures that punishment by death, in order not to be unusual, must be accomplished by molar than by molecular motion seems to me a fancy unwarranted by our Constitution. It will not be desirable even to imagine that terrorist criminals should escape through technicalities which are useless as safeguards to liberty, and only serve to make conviction more a matter of chance.

John Stuart Mill (1806-73) is considered as one of the foremost champions of liberty and liberalism in Victorian England. Influenced by his wife Harriet Taylor, Mill developed a very humane version of liberalism that was very sympathetic to women's rights, labor unions, proportional representation, and other liberal causes. He famous quotation has been quoted by all the freedom fighters in the 19th and 20th centuries: 'If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in silencing mankind'. And yet he strongly felt that capital punishment was absolutely necessary to protect the lives of innocent citizens when he spoke against a Bill banning capital punishment that had been proposed by one MP Gilpin in the House of Commons on 21 April, 1868. The British Parliament showed great wisdom by abolishing capital punishment for all crimes other than murder and retained capital punishment only for the offence of murder and terrorism.

In my view the opinions of most public men on important issues are relatively worthless because they don't know the details and it's the details that determine judgement. Generalities don't amount to a hill of beans. Everybody agrees with them. Everybody is for Justice, Right and Decency. Everybody wants security. People who are not in the government, are never aware of the hard and inescapable facts, that men in government have to face or encounter from time to time. That is why Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes said : 'The law is full of generalities which no one can dispute. Ambiguity lurks in generality and may thus become an instrument of social severity. But the point that matters is whether the boy got his finger pinched.' No responsible government can ignore these words of wisdom. The bite of law is its enforcement. There are first duties of citizenship even as there are also first duties of Government. A citizen's first duty is to uphold the law, but it is also a first duty of Government to enforce the Law��to do so by prosecuting and punishing those who violate our criminal laws.

In this context the apposite words of former Chief Justice of India R C Lahoti, spoken on his last day in that high office, become relevant:

'Which penalty is required other than death for this dastardly act? What other punishment is called for? We forget the past.... Human memory fails.... We forget the victims and we only see the accused before us and his family.... We forget the family of those killed, injured and totally uprooted, and I am told of a family whose only surviving member is a small child. People say that death penalty is the only punishment in which you cannot give life back. Ask this man who is the mastermind behind this blast. Can he give the life back of those killed? We forget thousands of those killed and think of only one person. Keeping in view my judicial experience, I personally am of the opinion that it should continue in the Indian Penal Code'.

There are, of course, first duties of citizenship even as there are also first duties of Government. A citizen's first duty id to uphold the law, but it is also a first duty of Government to enforce the law�to do so by prosecuting and punishing those who violate our criminal laws. There is no other way to maintain an ordered and moral society. Nothing can destroy a Government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws or worse, its own disregard of the charter of its existence. As Justice Brandeis said in one of his historically famous dissenting judgements in 1928; 'Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. If the Government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself. It only invites public anarchy.'
(The writer is a retired IAS officer) e-mail the writer at vsundaram@newstodaynet.com

Posted by netsuffering at 12:06 AM | Permalink | Comments

Indian Express Editor shekar gupta has called the recent Havana Pact
a Joint Adventure
here are my reactions

This is pure and simple giving in to terrorism, body mind and soul, and whose body?
not his he has spg and 4 rung cover around him nor sonias as she has more security than he does but naturally as the first family has more privileges than the generals of the triservices Army Navy Air force.
It is the lives of common people he is playing with.

The pm has forgot the recent Mumbai blasts sadly way sooner than expected.
the pm is suffering from the Stockholm syndrome
or has had a bit too many cubanas or Columbian popular export?
like the general will listin to the pm? he is so boxed in that he makes agreements with the Taliban, even after super pressure mounted by the usa.
This is one more simla pact we are loosing lots and gaining nothing

The irrelevant pm is out just to make a name for himself as it is his much talked about schemes are said to fail
1 indo us nuke deal is close to failure
2. Minimum wage plan is a hole in fiscal of the country with the deficit said to mount and the fm literally coercing the banks to cut interest rates to avert the fiscal deficit disaster.

3 dangers
1. The bjp contention of American interference and joint control of jnk could be true as it is CIA have infiltrated the intelligence community thanks to recent disclosures.
2. Destroying the foreign policy, goodwill earned by india by calling pak a sufferer of terrorism. The sacrifices of officers during kargil have gone to waste as India had lost officers mainly because of the restraint used , to successfully show Pakistan and mush’s involvement
3. Danger of Pakistanis infiltrating our intelligence as the agencies are said to interact more closely to curb terrorism
(Just like the Americans used the war on terror to infiltrate our agencies)

i prefer the assessments made by doval and raman anytime read Australian

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im posting links of some excellent assessments on 9/11 and its aftermath

Rajeevs assessment on rediff
George Soros part 1 George Soros part 2
Washington post expose

Well it is becoming clearer that the most trusted ally of USA is actually the main Sponsor of Terrorism.Let us see if the Americans change strategy henceforth and focus on Pakistan instead of persuing Iran.

Posted by netsuffering at 12:46 AM | Permalink | Comments

These days everyone is bolgging and the print media is interested too .
Indiatimes the Net Baby of TOI (The Congress loving paper) nowadays features
o3 its blog portal and amazingly right wing writers like sareen and hessian
Ibn(congress commi loving tv channel) editors and journalists have their own blogs ...
Only the commi loving hindu and hindustan times and congress/commi approved ndtv(karat is roys sis in law)are still lagging in this dept, or are thy blogging too?

There is a big dedicated community of national and international bloggers like tokyo-girl who blogged good and interesting stuff.
I started blogging a long time ago, though very infrequently using mumbaibull (old posts i accidently deleated ) during my dialup days when i had to analyse the mtnl and vsnl beeps to chk for a good connection when truely netsurfing was netsuffering, thus giving me my nick.
Call it an online diary or a persons manthan, or call it lots of idle broadband bandwith, blogging is here to stay .

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